Now, instead of me tearing him apart, I'm going to take the highroad on this one (and all future posts) and ask to garner your opinions on the matter.
I don't know exactly what he wants, but from what I understand Barack wants to shorten breaks (mostly summer it seems) and lengthen the amount of time spent in school. He believes this will get our education on par with the rest of the globe.
Now, despite my disdain for the man, I have to objectively say I don't like this idea. More TIME in school won't do anything. It's just wasting time. What American eduction needs is BETTER teachers and BETTER eduction programs. That means better collegiate eduction programs and more rigorous standards for students. For what it's worth, I am absolutely AGAINST "No Student Left Behind". Education needs some changes, but the "time spent" is not the answer. I disagree with you, Mr. President, but I do hope you raise our standards.
Also, summer vacation (and other breaks) is a STAPLE of American childhood. I can't imagine my future children not having it.
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One of many anomalies of the American education system is the massive 3-4 month gap between academic years. No one retains anything for that amount of time, unless one is actually making a specific effort to keep information stored properly by retrieving it often - something that, I think, is a bit much to ask of kids over summer vacation. The problems with this gigantic gap between years are twofold: first, it directly reduces contact time overall (meaning kids are, obviously, in school less that European/Asian counterparts) and second, it means that a lot of time is spent re-teaching old material the next year because everyone has, not surprisingly, forgotten everything.
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Au contraire, it certainly COULD hurt. Not from the STUDENT side of the thing, but from the TEACHER. Summer vacation is bad for student learning RETENTION, it's true, but vital for teacher SANITY. It's also one of the only ECONOMIC factors that draw good people to the job, since the PAY certainly isn't. --- "To truly live, one must first be born." ~ Evan [aX] Paper Mario Social: The Safe Haven of GameFAQs. (Board 2000083)
I would assume, though, that this entire endeavor is partially ECONOMICALLY motivated, and part of a measure to increase the INCOMES of public school TEACHERS, who form a massive SEGMENT of the employed population. Like, it would only make sense if they were paid more. I mean paid MORE.
But that would require a HELL of a lot of FUNDING, something the FEDERAL government isn't in the best POSITION to be doing right now, and neither are the STATES. The FED never came through with the MONEY for NCLB which is part of what made is such ****ty legislation. --- "To truly live, one must first be born." ~ Evan [aX] Paper Mario Social: The Safe Haven of GameFAQs. (Board 2000083)
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Back when I was in SCHOOL, I always THOUGHT that I'd be perfectly willing to GIVE UP some of my SUMMER VACATION in exchange for a 4-day school week.
Obviously that won't work for VARIOUS reasons, primarily that it doesn't coincide with the WORK WEEK, but I always liked the SENTIMENT, if you will. --- Joe Plumber and Bob the Builder for President in 2012! America: Can we fix it? YES WE CAN!
Gotta agree with UTAR. Kids would definitely benefit from a SMALLER summer to help with retention. It's something I've heard a lot from teachers, but to be fair to Jace, these were adults with spouses and a pretty secure life, at the time. I'm not really SURE how you could make it work for most teachers, though. Maybe a four DAY week would be less grueling? More one or two week breaks throughout the year?
Also gotta agree with Pooty and Mimir, in the sense that bigger changes are still needed. Still, can't hurt. Shaving a month off of summer isn't going to kill the joy of being a child. --- Ocarinakid
What I don't UNDERSTAND is why everyone ARGUING about this seems to think that SUMMER VACATION is THREE or FOUR MONTHS. It's TWO MONTHS. 2 1/2 on the outside. --- "To truly live, one must first be born." ~ Evan [aX] Paper Mario Social: The Safe Haven of GameFAQs. (Board 2000083)
It's close to THREE MONTHS on average, Jace. And even two months is a SIGNIFICANT period of time definitely contributes to LACK of RETENTION. As for TEACHER SANITY, I think it ought to be made up for by the fact that teachers would be getting salaried for an EXTRA MONTH in the YEAR. Surely that would be COMPENSATION enough? --- life without gamefox is scarcely worth living
I'm not sure how PRACTICAL this would be in REALITY, but perhaps a good COMPROMISE would be to take SUMMER and WINTER break, and make them the same length, which would be the length of the TWO averaged making for the SAME number of days out of SCHOOL. --- Retro Game Challenge: neo-retro goodness! --- The Exclude Words From Search petition: http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.php?board=7&topic=47831506
I can believe that a shorter summer break is NECESSARY for real retention, but it surely isn't SUFFICIENT. Consider that most subjects in school (AMERICAN school, anyway) aren't taught incrementally— or at least, the CONCEPTUAL LADDER rarely extends past a single academic year. TENTH-GRADERS don't remember what they learned in NINTH-GRADE HISTORY largely because THEY'RE NOT USING THE INFORMATION ANY MORE. They wouldn't retain it any better if they spent more time learning history. So I'm going to say that while it's better for vacations to be more diffusely distributed throughout the year, tweaking vacations won't accomplish anything so long as curricula are still BONEHEADED.
As for the CURRENT length of summer break, I, like JACE, always had breaks of roughly two months while I was in public school. I never had a three-month summer vacation until I advanced to COLLEGE.
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Ridiculed? HARDLY. We all had a very REASONABLE discussion and no one said anything DISPARAGING about your first post, we're just putting a JOVIAL SPIN on a serious topic in the STANDARD PMSian way. --- "To truly live, one must first be born." ~ Evan [aX] Paper Mario Social: The Safe Haven of GameFAQs. (Board 2000083)
Besides, I gave a SERIOUS answer after the fad went underway and looked like a PRAT because of it. --- The ProTect Topic blog - http://protecttopic.blogspot.com/ http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v505/UtarEmpire/youaretearingmeapartlisa.jpg