http://techland.time.com/2012/11/15/all-time-100-video-games/slide/all/
1970s
( )The Oregon Trail
( )Hunt the Wumpus
( )Pong
( )Breakout
( )Space Invaders
( )Adventure
( )Asteroids
1980s
( )Battlezone
( )Defender
( )Pac-Man
( )Zork
( )Castle Wolfenstein
( )Centipede
( )Donkey Kong
( )Frogger
( )Galaga
( )Tempest
( )Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
( )Joust
( )Pitfall!
( )King’s Quest
( )Lode Runner
( )M.U.L.E.
( )Paperboy
( )Tetris
( )Super Mario Bros.
( )Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
( )Castlevania
( )The Legend of Zelda
( )Metroid
( )OutRun
( )Contra
( )Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
( )Mega Man
( )NetHack
( )Punch-Out!!
( )Tecmo Bowl
( )Prince of Persia
1990s
( )Solitaire
( )Wing Commander
( )Civilization
( )Sonic the Hedgehog
( )Street Fighter II
( )Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty
( )Mortal Kombat
( )Doom
( )Myst
( )NBA Jam
( )Madden NFL 95
( )Marathon
( )SimCity 2000
( )Chrono Trigger
( )Quake
( )Resident Evil
( )Super Mario 64
( )Tomb Raider
( )Final Fantasy VII
( )Goldeneye 007
( )Myth: The Fallen Lords
( )Ultima Online
( )Final Fantasy Tactics
( )Grim Fandango
( )Metal Gear Solid
( )StarCraft
( )Thief: The Dark Project
( )EverQuest
( )Silent Hill
2000s
( )Diablo II
( )Deus Ex
( )The Sims
( )Animal Crossing
( )Grand Theft Auto III
( )Halo: Combat Evolved
( )Ico
( )Rez
( )Counter-Strike
( )Splinter Cell
( )Metroid Prime
( )Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
( )Cave Story
( )Half-Life 2
( )Katamari Damacy
( )World of Warcraft
( )Guitar Hero
( )Shadow of the Colossus
( )The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
( )Gears of War
( )Okami
( )Wii Sports
( )BioShock
( )Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
( )Desktop Tower Defense
( )Portal
( )Rock Band
( )Braid
( )Angry Birds
( )Demon’s Souls
( )Flower
2010s
( )Batman: Arkham City
( )Mass Effect 3
Total:
I'll post mine in a second post.
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-Theodore Tilton
http://techland.time.com/2012/11/15/all-time-100-video-games/slide/all/
1970s
(x)The Oregon Trail
( )Hunt the Wumpus
(x)Pong
(x)Breakout
(x)Space Invaders
(x)Adventure
(x)Asteroids
1980s
( )Battlezone
( )Defender
(x)Pac-Man
(x)Zork
( )Castle Wolfenstein
(x)Centipede
(x)Donkey Kong
(x)Frogger
(x)Galaga
( )Tempest
( )Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
( )Joust
( )Pitfall!
( )King’s Quest
( )Lode Runner
( )M.U.L.E.
( )Paperboy
(x)Tetris
(x)Super Mario Bros.
( )Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
(x)Castlevania
(x)The Legend of Zelda
(x)Metroid
(x)OutRun
( )Contra
( )Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
(x)Mega Man
(x)NetHack
(x)Punch-Out!!
( )Tecmo Bowl
( )Prince of Persia
1990s
( )Solitaire
( )Wing Commander
( )Civilization
(x)Sonic the Hedgehog
( )Street Fighter II
( )Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty
( )Mortal Kombat
( )Doom
( )Myst
( )NBA Jam
( )Madden NFL 95
( )Marathon
( )SimCity 2000
(x)Chrono Trigger
( )Quake
( )Resident Evil
(x)Super Mario 64
( )Tomb Raider
(x)Final Fantasy VII
( )Goldeneye 007
( )Myth: The Fallen Lords
( )Ultima Online
(x)Final Fantasy Tactics
( )Grim Fandango
(x)Metal Gear Solid
( )StarCraft
( )Thief: The Dark Project
( )EverQuest
( )Silent Hill
2000s
( )Diablo II
(x)Deus Ex
( )The Sims
(x)Animal Crossing
( )Grand Theft Auto III
( )Halo: Combat Evolved
( )Ico
( )Rez
( )Counter-Strike
( )Splinter Cell
(x)Metroid Prime
( )Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
(x)Cave Story
(x)Half-Life 2
(x)Katamari Damacy
( )World of Warcraft
( )Guitar Hero
( )Shadow of the Colossus
(x)The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
( )Gears of War
(x)Okami
(x)Wii Sports
( )BioShock
( )Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
(x)Desktop Tower Defense
(x)Portal
( )Rock Band
(x)Braid
(x)Angry Birds
( )Demon’s Souls
(x)Flower
2010s
( )Batman: Arkham City
( )Mass Effect 3
Total: 41
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Fame is but a slow decay.
-Theodore Tilton
This list has KoToR and not KoToR II, and then Oblivion, but not Morrowind or Skyrim. Sonic the Hedgehog, but not Sonic 3 & Knuckles. Silent Hill and not Silent Hill 2, but Mass Effect 3.
It is a list with weird priorities.
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Willis, it seems like every other time you post, I need to look up a word that's in the OED or Urban Dictionary but not both.
-Mimir
My point in all that ranting is that it seems that sometimes they picked the first game or the most recent game in a series, but neither consistently. To say that they went with the critical consensus around which one is "best" is just silly since you can see, e.g., LoZ and not LttP. It's just a silly list for a silly publication.
Or, in video form: http://www.theonion.com/video/time-announces-new-version-of-magazine-aimed-at-ad,17950/
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Willis, it seems like every other time you post, I need to look up a word that's in the OED or Urban Dictionary but not both.
-Mimir
I thought the same thing as Will with respect to series. The most conspicuous example to my eye is the choice of Mega Man over Mega Man 2 and Mega Man 3. If Mega Man 2 had never been released, Mega Man would now be, at best, a cult classic.
I'm pleasantly surprised NetHack and Marathon were included, though.
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Brandon: "I had casual sex this weekend." Alex: "I had sex too, with someone I love who accepts and loves me." Kodi: "I cleaned up my .emacs."
This is using the same logic Wil and Kodi have said, that one game can represent a series for that decade. I was thinking the same thing, but it took until I hit Splinter Cell for those thoughts to occur to me... ...Or, it was, until I realized it still doesn't really apply to me lolz
Kinda wish GameFAQs had strike through text, unless it does and I simply don't know about it...
DEMON SOULZZ YUS YUS YUS!!!!
Anywho!
1970s
( )The Oregon Trail
( )Hunt the Wumpus
(x )Pong
( x)Breakout
( x)Space Invaders
( )Adventure
( x)Asteroids
1980s
( )Battlezone
(x )Defender
( x)Pac-Man
( )Zork
( )Castle Wolfenstein
( x)Centipede
(x )Donkey Kong
( )Frogger
( x)Galaga
( )Tempest
( )Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
( )Joust
( )Pitfall!
( )King’s Quest
( )Lode Runner
( )M.U.L.E.
( )Paperboy
( x)Tetris
( x)Super Mario Bros.
( )Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
( )Castlevania
( x)The Legend of Zelda
( )Metroid
( )OutRun
( )Contra
( )Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
( )Mega Man
( )NetHack
( )Punch-Out!!
( )Tecmo Bowl
( )Prince of Persia
1990s
(x )Solitaire
( )Wing Commander
( )Civilization
(x )Sonic the Hedgehog
(x )Street Fighter II
( )Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty
( )Mortal Kombat
( )Doom
( )Myst
( )NBA Jam
( )Madden NFL 95
( )Marathon
( )SimCity 2000
( x)Chrono Trigger
( )Quake
( )Resident Evil
( x)Super Mario 64
( )Tomb Raider
( )Final Fantasy VII
( x)Goldeneye 007
( )Myth: The Fallen Lords
( )Ultima Online
( )Final Fantasy Tactics
( )Grim Fandango
( x)Metal Gear Solid
( x)StarCraft
( )Thief: The Dark Project
( )EverQuest
( )Silent Hill
2000s
( )Diablo II
( )Deus Ex
( )The Sims
( )Animal Crossing
( )Grand Theft Auto III
( x)Halo: Combat Evolved
( )Ico
( )Rez
( )Counter-Strike
( )Splinter Cell
( x)Metroid Prime
( )Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
( )Cave Story
( x)Half-Life 2
( )Katamari Damacy
( )World of Warcraft
( x)Guitar Hero
( )Shadow of the Colossus
( x)The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
( x)Gears of War
( )Okami
( x)Wii Sports
( x)BioShock
( x)Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
( )Desktop Tower Defense
( x)Portal
( x)Rock Band
( )Braid
( )Angry Birds
( x)Demon’s Souls
( )Flower
2010s
( )Batman: Arkham City
( )Mass Effect 3
Total: 31
Wow, only 31? Lame...
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Those must be the pants of the gods!-Digitalpython
I agree on the silly priorities. Shoddy! But 27 of them.
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Also it's weird that Leisure Suit Larry and the causal games (like Solitaire and Angry Birds) are included.
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Brandon: "I had casual sex this weekend." Alex: "I had sex too, with someone I love who accepts and loves me." Kodi: "I cleaned up my .emacs."
For those interested, I ran a poll on CE of this:
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/400-current-events/64640851
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Fame is but a slow decay.
-Theodore Tilton
1970s
( )The Oregon Trail
( )Hunt the Wumpus
(x)Pong
(x)Breakout
(x)Space Invaders
( )Adventure
(x)Asteroids
Subtotal: 4
Notes: I haven't played The Oregon Trail, and I feel I'm in the minority there.
1980s
( )Battlezone
( )Defender
(x)Pac-Man
( )Zork
( )Castle Wolfenstein
(x)Centipede
(x)Donkey Kong
(x)Frogger
(x)Galaga
(x)Tempest
( )Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
( )Joust
(x)Pitfall!
(x)King’s Quest
(x)Lode Runner
( )M.U.L.E.
(x)Paperboy
(x)Tetris
(x)Super Mario Bros.
( )Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
( )Castlevania
( )The Legend of Zelda
( )Metroid
( )OutRun
(x)Contra
( )Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
( )Mega Man
( )NetHack
( )Punch-Out!!
( )Tecmo Bowl
( )Prince of Persia
Subtotal: 13
Notes: Missed a LOT of classics here. I think if I'd just been born 2 years earlier I would have caught them all. Also, where the heck is Battletoads!?
1990s
(x)Solitaire
( )Wing Commander
( )Civilization
(x)Sonic the Hedgehog
(x)Street Fighter II
( )Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty
(x)Mortal Kombat
(x)Doom
(x)Myst
(x)NBA Jam
(x)Madden NFL 95
( )Marathon
(x)SimCity 2000
(x)Chrono Trigger (partially played)
( )Quake
(x)Resident Evil
(x)Super Mario 64
(x)Tomb Raider
(x)Final Fantasy VII (partially played)
(x)Goldeneye 007
( )Myth: The Fallen Lords
( )Ultima Online
( )Final Fantasy Tactics
( )Grim Fandango
(x)Metal Gear Solid (partially played)
(x)StarCraft
(x)Thief: The Dark Project
( )EverQuest
( )Silent Hill
Subtotal: 18
Notes: This section makes me feel better! This was the time when I started choosing the games I wanted to play instead of just playing the ones my parents had bought for my older siblings.
2000s
(x)Diablo II
(x)Deus Ex
(x)The Sims
( )Animal Crossing
(x)Grand Theft Auto III
(x)Halo: Combat Evolved
( )Ico
( )Rez
(x)Counter-Strike
( )Splinter Cell
( )Metroid Prime
( )Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
( )Cave Story
(x)Half-Life 2 (partially played)
( )Katamari Damacy
(x)World of Warcraft
(x)Guitar Hero
( )Shadow of the Colossus
(x)The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion (partially played)
(x)Gears of War
( )Okami
(x)Wii Sports
(x)BioShock (partially played)
(x)Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
(x)Desktop Tower Defense
(x)Portal
( )Rock Band
( )Braid
(x)Angry Birds
( )Demon’s Souls
( )Flower
Subtotal: 17
Notes: I consider this the new golden age of gaming! But where is Age of Empires!?
2010s
( )Batman: Arkham City
(x)Mass Effect 3
Subtotal: 1
Notes: Most disappointing ending of all time.
Grand Total: 53
Notes: Not bad, but not great! I missed out because of lack of consoles. Only ever had an NES and an N64. Anything else, I played with friends.
I feel that Super Smash Brothers was a glaring omission!
Bonus comments from HeyDude: GameFAQs, if I start bold and then start italic, I should be able to end bold and then end italic.. Don't go telling me my HTML is badly formed if I end b then end i. Or at least highlight it for me, for reals dawg. I had to switch my (/b)(/i) around to (/i)(/b) and they're completely equivalent!!!
No they're not, you doofus. HTML is a variety of SGML (or XML, if you're using XHTML) and requires elements to be arranged in a tree structure. <x><y> … </x></y> doesn't make any more sense than [( … ]).
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Brandon: "I had casual sex this weekend." Alex: "I had sex too, with someone I love who accepts and loves me." Kodi: "I cleaned up my .emacs."
A) I don't like being called a doofus.
B) I wrote a test in Notepad and it showed me that the results of formatting it were as I expected (in Firefox, Chrome, and IE), like this (I used tags of course and not the parentheses you see here):
(html)
(b)(i)This text is bold and italic.(/b)(/i)
(b)This line should be bold only.(/b)
(i)This line should be italic only.(/i)
This line should be normal text.
(b)(i)This text is bold and italic again but is written “tree-like”.(/i)(/b)
This should be normal again.
(/html)
So suck it.
Editor's Note: You're probably thinking of best practice or something, but I'm talking about what's required to make the code work. The only way in which they're not equivalent is to your sense of neatness (and GameFAQs's too, apparently).
I don't like being called a doofus.
Sorry. I like joking around, but not, as a rule, hurting people's feelings.
Editor's Note: You're probably thinking of best practice or something, but I'm talking about what's required to make the code work.
Pretty much. The trend in web browsers ever since the Netscape-versus-IE days has been to try to support all code, no matter how broken. You can throw anything you like at a web browser and the browser will generally try to make sense out of it. That doesn't mean that different browsers will interpret the code the same way, or that any one browser will interpret it the same way ten years from now as it does now, or that any HTML-munching code that
isn't a web browser (such as Wisterwood's scraper) won't choke on it. So the issue is only a best practice in the sense that saving money for retirement is a best practice: people fail to do it all the time, and a lot of smart people put a lot of effort into making such negligence nonlethal, but it's still considered a necessity by all right-thinking people.
Or, to put it as a slogan: what you call "neatness", I call "sanity".
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Brandon: "I had casual sex this weekend." Alex: "I had sex too, with someone I love who accepts and loves me." Kodi: "I cleaned up my .emacs."
For the sake of completeness, the relevant standard here is: http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/
I keep not being certain about some games because maybe I just read about them a lot or watched other people play.
1970s
(X)The Oregon Trail
( )Hunt the Wumpus
(X)Pong
(X)Breakout
(X)Space Invaders
( )Adventure
(X)Asteroids
1980s
( )Battlezone
(X)Defender
(X)Pac-Man
(X)Zork
( )Castle Wolfenstein
(X)Centipede
(X)Donkey Kong
(X)Frogger
(X)Galaga
(X)Tempest
( )Wizardry: Proving Grounds of the Mad Overlord
(X)Joust
(X)Pitfall!
( )King’s Quest
( )Lode Runner
( )M.U.L.E.
(X)Paperboy
(X)Tetris
(X)Super Mario Bros.
( )Ultima IV: Quest of the Avatar
(X)Castlevania
(X)The Legend of Zelda
(X)Metroid
(X)OutRun
(X)Contra
( )Leisure Suit Larry in the Land of the Lounge Lizards
(X)Mega Man
( )NetHack
(X)Punch-Out!!
(X)Tecmo Bowl
( )Prince of Persia
1990s
(X)Solitaire
( )Wing Commander
(X)Civilization
(X)Sonic the Hedgehog
(X)Street Fighter II
( )Dune II: The Building of a Dynasty
(X)Mortal Kombat
(X)Doom
(X)Myst
(X)NBA Jam
( )Madden NFL 95
( )Marathon
(X)SimCity 2000
(X)Chrono Trigger
(X)Quake
(X)Resident Evil
(X)Super Mario 64
( )Tomb Raider
(X)Final Fantasy VII
(X)Goldeneye 007
( )Myth: The Fallen Lords
( )Ultima Online
(X)Final Fantasy Tactics
( )Grim Fandango
(X)Metal Gear Solid - Well, I played Twin Snakes, does that count?
(X)StarCraft
( )Thief: The Dark Project
( )EverQuest
( )Silent Hill
2000s
(X)Diablo II
( )Deus Ex
( )The Sims
(X)Animal Crossing
(X)Grand Theft Auto III
(X)Halo: Combat Evolved
( )Ico
(X)Rez
(X)Counter-Strike
( )Splinter Cell
(X)Metroid Prime
(X)Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic
(X)Cave Story
( )Half-Life 2
(X)Katamari Damacy
( )World of Warcraft
(X)Guitar Hero
( )Shadow of the Colossus
(X)The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion
( )Gears of War
(X)Okami
(X)Wii Sports
(X)BioShock
( )Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare
( )Desktop Tower Defense
(X)Portal
(X)Rock Band
(X)Braid
(X)Angry Birds
( )Demon’s Souls
( )Flower
2010s
( )Batman: Arkham City
( )Mass Effect 3
Total: 63. Not bad.
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But there's nothing ambiguous about it at *all*. It gives a 100% certainty on what you want to do. It ought to be considered just as valid, since it fulfills that one criterion of computer code.
No, mere lack of ambiguity to the human eye is not a reasonable criterion for legal code. One important reason is that handling mistakes correctly is difficult. To make this example concrete, consider a program like Perl's XML::Simple module, which takes XML and produces a properly nested data structure from it, so if you have a document like
<xml>
<a>apples</a>
<a>
<x><r>oranges</r></x>
<x>mangoes</x>
</a>
<a>bananas</a>
</xml>
, you can extract "oranges" with an expression like $xml->{a}[2]{x}[0]{r}. Now, suppose the input was instead "<x><r>oranges</x></r>", and suppose further that XML::Simple corrected this to "<x><r>oranges</r></x>" instead of crashing. Then if the object is deserialized, the tag order won't match the input document, and you can imagine the nightmares that would result if you tried to compare documents and were expecting XML::Simple to round-trip properly. Or should XML::Simple store some hidden data so that it *does* output the tags in the original order? Then you have even worse nightmares with managing out-of-band data and XML::Simple passing the problem on to other code, not to mention some extremely thorny design issues as soon as you try to generalize the idea of tag-order correction to more complex cases. The correct thing for a program to do in this situation, which is to crash immediately with an informative error message, is captured by the programming maxim "When you must fail, fail noisily and as soon as possible."
(Incidentally, there actually is something ambiguous about "<a><r>oranges</a></r>": does it mean "<a><r>oranges</r></a>" or "<r><a>oranges</a></r>"? Yes, the difference is significant even in the case of HTML bold and italic tags because different CSS rules will apply in the two cases, and JavaScript depends on HTML's tree structure through the DOM.)
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Brandon: "I had casual sex this weekend." Alex: "I had sex too, with someone I love who accepts and loves me." Kodi: "I cleaned up my .emacs."
This conversation is pretty stereotypical of the whole Windows-versus-Linux war, isn't it?
I can't make heads or tails of anything you just said. I don't know what that stuff means.
If a browser can parse it, GFAQs should be able to parse it, is what it comes down to here.
After all, I made my first website when I was 11, which was 14 years ago. So HTML has supported what I did for the past 14 years at least.
I can't make heads or tails of anything you just said. I don't know what that stuff means.
In higher-level language, then, the issues here are:
- A proposed design that makes sense for simple cases does not necessarily make sense in general. (I often run afoul of this issue in my own programming. Only when I really try to make an idea work do I realize deep problems with it.)
- Web browsers are amazing things. They make very complicated things look straightforward. This is often convenient, but it also encourages bad behavior on the part of web designers.
- When websites are designed well, there's a lot of useful things you can do with them other than click through them with a web browser. When they aren't, you're stuck with the browser.
Understanding
why these principles are true requires some understanding of programming.
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Brandon: "I had casual sex this weekend." Alex: "I had sex too, with someone I love who accepts and loves me." Kodi: "I cleaned up my .emacs."
Today's xkcd: http://xkcd.com/1144
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